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7/10
No idea is 100% original
hoff31-113 October 2009
We are the sum of all our experiences and what we have learned from other people. Only a new born baby could possibly be 100% original. What happened to George Harrison with the My Sweet Lord/He's So Fine legal case was ridiculous. We need to restore sensibility to our copyright laws. The net effect of today's copyright laws are self serving to the corporations and rarely benefit the original creator. As mentioned previously the original creator is lucky to receive 10% of the final selling price. As with everything else today corporate property rights have higher priority than almost anything else including our democratic freedoms.

But I do agree that some protection must be there so that one is rewarded for their hard work. My suggestions: Time limit such as with patents. Too much great creativity is rotting away because some greedy person (most likely not the author) wants more. Don't allow copyrights to be sold. Only the original creator can benefit from his/her work.
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8/10
Making a point
arnose0922 July 2009
I feel the need to write this comment because it made me think about the copyrights on aids medicine for example. Some of the copyrights preventing the making of a cure to safe lives must lifted. Life is more important then the profits of corporations. This becomes a more gray area when they talking about the copyrights on music and this documentary isn't very objective in this matter. Which is a good thing. The anti-copy lobby isn't very objective as well. Nice to see the other side for a change! Making a copy of a CD and sell it is illegal. But buying a new CD in Holland cost € 50 for 12 songs in a poor quality plastic case. That's more then € 4 a song and you do not want to know how much the artist gets. The rules must be changed. Protection of property is good but evolving is even better. Restore the balance please!
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9/10
Use your illusion...
morrison-dylan-fan30 November 2010
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The day that this film arrived at my door in the post,I had been looking online at the days news,and I noticed that there had been a big "anoucment" in the entertainment industry about the entire music catalogue of The Beatles being "finally" made available for legal downloads online.When watching this excellent film about the history of copyrighting evolving ideas and peoples creation.

I was a little bit surprised that the battle between the music industry and the rebel DJ DangerMouse mash-up defining album-The Grey Album,which entwined The Beatles White Album and Jay Zs The Black Album into something completely new and exciting,that was sadly not mentioned in the film.Thankfully,the film is that packed with truly shocking revelations of how drug and media companies are trying to put peoples evolving ideas into a permanent headlock.With this film,director Brett Gaylor shows that this is a subject that everyone should be asking some very big questions about...

The outline of the documentary:

Film maker Brett Gaylor looks at the history of copyrighting material.The film starts by showing how the Public Domain was created in 1710 with the stature of Anne copyright law,which was made so that the creators would own their material for fourteen years, before it went into the Public Domain,so that other people could build upon the ideas that had been created.

Brett shows how the desperation of huge corporations to completely stop anything entering the Public Domain.In 1998,the copyright law was re-written in the US,so that the Walt Disney Corporation could hold the rights to Mickey Mouse for the next 0ne hundred years.When the law got put into place,all of the major companies took a huge sigh of relief knowing that they will now Always be in control of ownership.

But,with a new creation of something called the internet, and a "movie villain" called Napster and other file-sharing websites,which gave people the chance to create the biggest music library in history,and also gave people the chance to download and discover an unlimited amount of music, without being forced to pay highly-inflated prices for one three minute song, Showed that maybe, the ownership and creation of peoples ideas might be getting won back by the consumers.
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10/10
This documentary confirmed my thoughts exactly
morkulv_athferion13 December 2009
This documentary in general focuses around copyright, and the right to remix old music from other artists and it makes some very good points. You only have to look at YouTube to see for yourself; how many video's per day do you think get pulled because it contained some footage, music or sound (even when it concerns fan-art!) that is owned by some company? What started as a battle against copyright-thieves now evolved into a battle of control and money.

Even Lars Ulrich from Metallica makes an appearance, in the form of an old interview concerning the whole Napster-debate which is hypocrite to say the least; tape-trading back in the day is what made Metallica so well known to begin with, so this is nothing more then a moneygrabbing issue from him.

If you want to know more whats going on behind all the anti-piracy campaigns, then watch this. Its well worth the watch.
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8/10
A good first attempt, or first half.
rgcustomer4 March 2010
I saw a version of this film that was 86 minutes in length. As the film itself asks the audience to remix it, I can't really know which version I actually saw.

That, in fact, is one of the problems with the remix culture that was completely ignored by this documentary. How does identity or trademark get protected in the remix world? While it is of course impossible to prevent infringements from happening, there should be a reasonable response to violations, along the lines of libel and slander and fraud. I'm sure the people who use IMDb to read comments such as this one want some assurance that we're all talking about the same thing, or else what is the point? This is a much larger issue than just that of course.

The other problem I had with this film is that it failed completely to address the elephant in the room, which is software, whether it's cracked, hacked, or open source. It kind of boggles the mind how you can actually use software in the production of a film about cut-and-paste culture, and miss it. I guess it doesn't have a Girl Talk beat, eh? (Jeez, isn't there anyone out there better than Girl Talk?)

As some other comments have noted, the above two flaws, combined with the lack of any real proposal or at least a survey of ideas on how to proceed forward, mean this film can't really be a 9 or a 10, at least on my scale. There is such as thing as intellectual property, and the film itself notes that this has been recognized since the printing press, in the form of copyright. It's not going away, and saying "oh well, whatever" isn't enough.

But I do give the film an 8, because it does a great job of showing the cancerous growth of the copyright and patent industry, which isolate us from our own public cultural experience, and stifle creativity and innovation by extending well beyond what was originally intended, to the point of making criminals of the world's youth, bankrupting everyday people, and putting sick people's lives at risk. I particularly found the revelation near the end, about the direction of US policy at the end of last century interesting and shocking. A country like Canada must do all we can to ensure that bad US decisions don't become our problem to be solved by giving away a chunk of our sovereignty. F that, my friends.

I look forward to a followup that addresses the flaws of this film.
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7/10
Interesting if you're into music or a content creator
juice10reviews13 May 2020
I had to watch this film for an English essay and it is very informative. As a person who loves music and is getting into remix music for parties, this documentary realized how much corporations suppress about ability to share ideas. I used to watch YouTube a lot and I used to always hear of my favorite creators getting videos deleted because they used copyrighted music. I also go on TikTok frequently and some trending songs get taken off of TikTok due to copyrights leaving videos without sounds and users not understanding the context of the video. I believe that to improve as a society, we must build on each others ideas, not trying to make original ideas and not let others use them, that is selfish. Although I'm all for taking away power from corporations, I would like to hear more of their side to see if there is any reason other than money that makes them safeguard intellectual property.
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9/10
Mega Conglomerates create definitions for property and idea, and create laws to insure their own profits
HeuristicLover7715 May 2020
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This documentary is a must see for any citizen of the United States, and also for people all over the world living in countries with similar copyright laws. The power and influence that large companies have over the way we think and act must be known to everyone, as they are practically able to claim ownership over an idea. What started out as a DJ making mashups of popular songs and people wrongly downloading music for free, Gaylor transforms to a description of an all out power struggle between ordinary people and the government and big business. The filmmaker chose not to make this documentary just about the internet and how "kids these days" are stealing music and songs, and profiting off of it or stealing money from original creators. Gaylor expands this dilemma across decades, beginning with questionably Walt Disney stealing ideas to make the movies we love, to today where his company is suing people incessantly over paintings on the sides of daycares, parody-cartoons that mock Disney, and more. People have forgotten the hypocrisy that Disney has become, which this film brings to light. Many companies hide behind the mask of being pro-creator and anti-stealing from artists, when they are really just scared of losing their own profits from people streaming their music for free/stealing it. The way Gaylor transcends beyond just art and creates a connection between us and individuals who are being hurt the most by unjust lawsuits also pushes his point that Americans need to support the true expression of ideas, instead of those who want to profit off of our every move.
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9/10
Great at performing its intended purpose
popman-9418914 May 2020
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This is one of those documentaries that can be categorized as detrimental to society, just because it speaks ill of big businesses, but it is necessary to have this kind of dialogue. It does an amazing job of explaining why the current laws are what they are and who is to blame for them, and how these laws hurt new generations of artists who are trying to use the past as influence how the art the big businesses are profiting off of did. There is one gripe I have, and that is that it did not even mention that the rappers that are often sampled in the beats the main person the documentary follows, Girl Talk, uses, use samples to make their beats, so there is a realization of "Oh, this is new, but I know this beat so it has to be good," and it could have added more to the conversation that was at hand about how copyrights prevent multiple people from doing the same exact thing that someone did first.
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10/10
A good point to raise... the money grabbing era ended.
psylockem25 November 2009
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It's a nice... I've always thought there was no difference to people buying LP's and recording songs onto private mixtape cassettes. Like musicians don't rip off things from other musicians anyway...

We need to get back to enjoyment of things, and away from the total corporate world. The use of Walt Disney for instance is a good example of where it's been done before.

@ Henk Storm... where do you buy CD's that cost €50,- for 12 songs? Even in times of the Guilder they weren't much above FL40,-

I still buy plenty of CD's and just as many and if I'm honest even more than I did in the past before the internet downloading times. If a CD is over a certain price, I just wait till it hits a cheaper price... try iTunes.
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3/10
Preaching to the choir, or I (heart) Girl Talk
randomanon29 March 2009
This documentary (indeed, manifesto is correct) misses its intended point. On the one hand its arguing for the rights of remixers, on the other hand for the right to share and use, even when the point isn't to make something new out of it. If you really want to effectively argue the first, you shouldn't only try the "throw everything out" argument. If some artist wants to give their work away for free, more power to them (it's their choice). But that is a far cry from arguing that everybody should do that, and that the only allowable business model is charging for live performances.

The makers of the documentary should then have asked how the model could be changed so that you keep the good parts of it, while stopping the more egregious overreaches. (Even if it would eventually argue that it is not possible.) Even while Walt Disney used other's ideas, he didn't take their drawings, stories, dialogue etc. as is. So is there a fruitful way to draw a line? But the documentary makes no effort in that direction, and there is little reason to believe anyone on the other side is listening or even starts to think.

The makers should have tried to present their arguments to someone (intelligent) who doesn't share their viewpoint, and asked for their rebuttal (with sufficient time to prepare their argument). That's like sharing ideas, man. Like totally not what the movie is about.

The point of this documentary isn't helped the fact (IMO) that all the remixes and mash ups in it are pretty awful. And what is good in them could have been achieved without recycling beats and samples. And it is very clear from the documentary that the artists understand that they shouldn't be doing what they are doing under current laws, but no tough questions are asked from them, like why they still think its necessary or better to break them. (The argument is presented as "because I want to, I should be able to.") IMO, The artists involved should stop whining and make a creative commons collection of samples from which to build mash ups, remixes and whatever. Allowing others to make remixes of this documentary is a starting point. (But, again, kinda not the point presented in the movie, which is an argument against the ownership rights of artists and copyright holders.)
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9/10
An essential piece of reflection
Dr_Coulardeau11 October 2010
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This is an essential film for our modern age and all children, from 7 to 77 or even 107 should be obliged to view it, learn it and memorize it. But before discussing the core of the film, that is to say remixing, mash-up if you want, girl-talk if you prefer, let's get rid of a few misconceptions.

First, patents and copyright are not the same thing. Patents are a scandal because they are based on a lie. They are supposed to cover the research expenses of an invention and as such should not be counted in years but should be strictly limited to the amount of expenses concerned by the said invention. If PharmaXXX declares to have spent two million dollars on the research to produce that new drug (and that can easily be checked by any tax inspector who knows his job and is not corrupted), it should be authorized to overcharge the customers by let's say 25% till those two millions, or if you want to be generous and think of encouraging the poor PharmaXXX, 2.5 millions, and then bye-bye excessive profit, the 25% overcharge is out and the protection falls.

Second, ideas are not protected, I repeat ideas are not protected. Molecules cannot be protected because they are no one's property. Should we protect oxygen as the property of Mr. Dupont de Nemours? To go back to art, ideas cannot be protected, but characters are and the form these ideas are expressed in are too.

Third, the film deals with the fundamentalist aspect of copyright in Northern America. I used "fundamentalist" because it is pure industrial terrorism that has nothing to do with intellectual property since these corporations never invented these characters, musics, videos, films, etc. They have at best produced them and have to be compensated for their productive activity, but not for the invention and creation of these artistic works.

Fourth, we are not dealing first in this film with illegal downloading which is a completely different business. Mash-up artists do not need to be using illegally downloaded works. Mash-up artists can, and should, use legally downloaded and bought works. And what I am going to say now is within that frame of thinking. I do not in any way accept the appropriation of any merchandise, be it oranges or bread, without paying the proper price for it. Shoplifting is a funny sport but a shoplifter knows exactly what the risk he is running into is. And I know from direct experience.

That leads me to Lessig and his battle and this time I will move to France, and France is not the only case. Disc Jockeys had a fight with the SACEM (the civil society that collects author's rights for music) to be recognized as creators, as composers of their own. And they were. Their instantaneous compositions with already recorded works that are not of their own are considered as works of their own and they are the authors or composers of these mixed works. The new element is that instead of using old vinyl records and simple turntables and some sound processing consoles, mash-up artists today use digital samplers and digital sound processing machines. There is a battle to fight there and Lessig is right. This is a creative act of its own and it should be permitted in the name of fair use first, because it is really creating an art of its own or making a point of its own (including at the end of the film a satirical pastiche which is authorized by fair use). The artist who does it should be recognized the quality of composer or creator of any type because he is really creating something new with what was not at all of the same type. I don't see how it could even be called plagiarism. In France since jurisprudence, as far as I know, considers that you need a sequence of eight identical notes (in one sequence I said) for it to be called plagiarism, mash-up works cannot be plagiarized works. If it is not plagiarism, then it is creative.

Two battles remain to be fought. First the battle against illegal downloading because it is piracy and it is stealing. Then the battle for the recognition of the creative act of any person who is mixing up, mashing up works that are available on any medium. Then let courts decide, if necessary, where the limit between remixing and just copying is. One example: in a textbook I am told that when you get over fifteen lines of collected quotations of one work you have to pay 300 euros. I think that is both silly and counterproductive. The author (if he can have his own say) and the publisher should probably negotiate some kind of highlighting for the concerned work as a promotional deal. But merchants are too often the worst commercial agents of their own goods. They sound like fathers trying to marry their daughters in a heavily patriarchal country. Which is quite old-fashioned and past-minded.

This video then is an essential tool but it requires some good background knowledge. For instance the first text about copyright is not the Statute of Anne in 1710, but the Stationers Company Charter in 1557. The Statute of Anne just shifted the copyright from the printer to the author and introduced a time limit on it. Then the film should have checked the American background: copyright and patents are in the same clause of the US Constitution (1787), not in 1776 (the Declaration of Independence?) but then they are instated by two separate laws, the copyright one in 1791 like the Bill of Rights. By being constitutional it cannot be negated expect by a constitutional amendment or by a US Supreme Court decision, which could only deal with details, not the principle.

Dr Jacques COULARDEAU, University Paris 1 Pantheon Sorbonne, University Paris 8 Saint Denis, University Paris 12 Créteil, CEGID
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9/10
Relevant
mmaruski29 April 2022
An increasingly relevant open-source(!!) documentary that somehow manages to ignore hip hop producers of the late 80s and 90s whose sampling was an inherent part of the genre. Regardless, an important look at the definition of art, plagiarism, the relationship of artists with those who seek to make money off of them, and how the music industry inevitably sees sampling and art as a means for profit.
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4/10
For a film that says the future is built on the past it fails to set it's bedrock and the film collapses in to scatters hot directions
dbborroughs23 January 2011
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A film examining the battle over remixing , mash ups and recycling. Its a film that makes its point early and often...and it raises a good many questions- but it doesn't always have answers- such as how much use is too much? The film seems to be saying that everything is fair game... or should be.

Beyond the questions the film has deeper problems. Its mentions the change in copyright in 1998 but doesn't explain the old rules. The history before the internet is missing. A film that talks about using the past to build the future ignores the past completely.

Then it gets facts wrong- dating Alice in Wonderland from 1644. and there are other problems...taking the film into questions of science...before dropping the whole train of thought.

I'm kind of mixed on the film. I see the point and side with them but I think the director is going about it in the wrong way...he has too much going on... is this about remix or simply the free down of all things? I think his argument that the total free exchange of all things will save the world is kind of off kilter...and what will it say about anyone wanting to create- why create a character or book or song or such if you can't control it, even for a little while? After all the argument here is total free exchange.

I'm at a loss.
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