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7/10
Angel and Wes being so sad, makes ME sad...
katierose29528 February 2007
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"Double or Nothing" is about the future. It mainly centers around Gunn and his sudden lack of a future. It turns out that he sold his soul --and the future that went with it-- for a truck back in his vampire street fighting day. But it also has Wes, who mortgaged his future with team Angel in his failed attempt to save Conner. And it has Angel who now thinks that he has no future without his son. Honestly, this isn't the best episode the show ever produces. It kind of interrupts the main Conner/Holtz story arc. And, even as a monster-of the-week, it doesn't have a lot to say. If you're watching on DVD and in a hurry to finish up the season, you could probably skip it and not miss much. Still, "Double or Nothing" has some nice scenes of Wes and Angel looking sad, it brings Cordy back to town, and it gives us a little more insight into Gunn and Fred's relationship. You might want to give it a shot.

"Double or Nothing" revolves around Gunn's past. He's falling in love with Fred. But, it turns out that his heart & soul isn't something that he can just hand over to his girlfriend... Well, not the soul part anyway. He sold his soul for a truck when he was 17 and now the demon gangster who took it wants to collect. Gunn decides to have one last perfect day with Fred and then hand himself over to be soul-sucked. (Which is an interesting plan if you consider everyone's actions in season five's "Not Fade Away.") Anyway, Fred begins to suspect that something is wrong and Gunn breaks up with her so she won't get hurt.

Meanwhile, Cordy comes back to town and finds Angel a broken shell of a vampire. He's just sitting up in his room mourning Conner. Cordy tries to comfort him. In the hospital, Wes is dealing with the fact that all his friends have abandoned him. When Fred delivers Wes's stuff to his hospital room and tells him that he's not welcomed back at the Hyperion, Wesley begins to feel a little bitter. He heads back to his apartment alone. Angel comes out of his room long enough to listen to Fred explain that Gunn's in trouble. Team Angel sets out to save him from the demon casino and Gunn & Fred end up closer than ever.

There are some good parts to this episode. I like Cordy sitting by Angel as he silently grieves his son. They have a really sweet relationship and I missed her being on the show these last few episodes. And I like Wes being all sad and bitter. When everyone turned on him, I expected him to try and explain himself or at least contact them. But he just quietly goes back to his life, getting by on his own. Still, the show makes it pretty clear that he belongs back at Angel Inc. When Angel, worried about Gunn, says, "We're not going to loose another member of this family," the scene switches to Wes bruised and alone. It just really works. Also, I think Fred and Gunn are kinna cute in this episode. I like that silly crown hat Fred is wearing as they eat and she sees right through his attempt to dump her. Cordy, Gru and Angel are confused by her reasoning, but Fred knows that Gunn would never speak to her that way. She's trying to convince them that Gunn could be in real danger. And Angel's first response is, "Wait, you and Gunn are dating?" It just cracks me up. Finally, I like Gru in this episode. I think he's a nice addition to the cast and adds some much needed comedy. His excitement over working at Angel Inc. and handing out "small rectangles" is really funny.

On the down side, I don't get everyone's reactions to Wes in this episode. Angel's obviously still angry and I understand that. But, just last episode Fred and Gunn were saying that Wes did the right thing. Now, Gunn is bad-mouthing Wes and Fred is telling him never to come back to the Hyperion. It's flat out hypocritical. They were willing to see Wesley's side when it looked like that "Father will kill the son" deal was an grade-A, un-tampered with prophesy. When they were working with the same information that Wes had, they were all "He did the only thing he could do." Now that they think the prophesy was wrong, though, they quickly jump to the other side of the fence and have this holier-than-thou attitude that just REALLY bugs me. I feel so, SO bad for poor Wes as he silently goes back to his lonely apartment. He didn't even have anyone to pick him up at the hospital. It's not fair. And why didn't Cordy visit him? I know how much she loves Angel, but she's know Wes since Sunnydale. They're both family and I don't see why she has to take such a hard line. Or maybe I just feel so heartbroken for Wes that I can't be objective...

My favorite part of the episode: Angel cutting the deck for Gunn's soul. "A three?!?"
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8/10
We are not losing another member of this family
SleepTight6664 June 2007
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We are not losing another member of this family - The most unpopular 'Gunn'-episode is probably my favorite, not because of the 'Gunn' storyline but because of pretty much everything else. I only really hated the "break-up" scene with 'Fred', it was really overacted, badly scripted and forced, but the rest of the 'Gunn' storyline worked, I bought the whole 'selling-soul-for-truck' thing. I also liked the Casino storyline, it was fun, and 'Angel' only getting a three cracks me up every time. What I mainly love about the episode are the 'Wes' scenes, he doesn't actually say anything but they're still powerful. And of course the Cangel scenes, well-written and heartbreaking, at the end of the episode 'Angel' is finally able to move on. Excellent episode, glad 'Cordy' and 'Groo' were back. CORDELIA: I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that I know what you're going through, or that I could begin to understand what it is you're feeling. The last thing you need right now is someone saying that given time, things will get better. The hurt will go away. Because things won't get better. And the hurt's never gonna go away. The truth is, if you lived another two hundred years, you'd never forget how Connor was taken from you. And you shouldn't. You loved your son, Angel. And you're gonna go on loving him. And missing him. And you'll go one living. You'll do that, too. ANGEL: I don't know how. CORDELIA: You don't need to. The "how" works itself out. Life'll just keeping happening. There'll be people who need our help and so we'll help 'em. 'Cause that's what we do. (8.5 out of 10)
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7/10
More contradictions
drexmaverick3 April 2020
Gunn didn't even know about other kinds of demons until he met Angel. He only knew about Vampires.
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6/10
Groo and gambling
Joxerlives6 March 2012
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DOUBLE OR NOTHING

The Good; The Groo and CC back which is marvellous. Lovely little scene with CC and Angel and also a lovely little scene of Pylean kinship between Lorne and the Groo over the 'ritual of the bereaved'. Wonderful final confrontation too, watched this ep first at a convention and people cheered when Angel delivers his line

The Bad; The angry young man Gunn stuff is not so good. The cockney demon debt collector is deeply stupid, Guy Ritchie has a lot to answer for. When he first sees Caritas Gunn comments he's never seen anything like it but we find here he has (unless he's never seen karaoke before?).

Best line: Angel; "Am I the only one who owes this guy money?"

Jeez, how did they get away with that? CC staking the guy's hand to the table. Gunn being so mean when breaking up with Fred is also hard to watch as is the guy getting his soul removed by Jenoff. Jenoff's death is not half as yucky as his 'rebirth'.

Apocalypses: 5

Angel Clichés Inverting the Hollywood cliché; Angel loses the card game and actually cheats, breaking his word to the guy. We think Fred is going to be more sympathetic towards Wes but she rejects him.

In disguise; 8

DB get's his shirt off; 12

Cordy's tatt; 10

Cheap Angel; 9

Fang Gang in bondage: Cordy: 5 Angel: 11 Wes: 6 Gunn; 4 Lorne; 3 Fred; 2

Fang gang knocked out: Cordy: 11 Angel: 14 Wes: 5 Doyle; 1 Gunn; 1 Lorne; 3

Kills: Gunn kills a skench demon Cordy: 5 vamps, 3 demons Angel; 39 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 7 humans Doyle; 1 vamp Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 2 humans Kate; 3 vamps Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans. Gunn; 10 vamps+ 11 demons. Groo; 1 demon Fred; 1 vamp

Fang Gang go evil: Cordy: 2 Angel: 2 Gunn; 1 Wes; 1

Alternate Fang Gang: Cordy: 2 Angel: 8

Characters killed: 46

Recurring characters killed; 8;

Total number of Angel Investigations: 6, Angel, Cordy, Gunn, Fred, Lorne and Groo

Angel Investigations shot: Angel: 11 Wes; 1

Packing heat; Wes; 6 Doyle; 1 Angel; 2 Gunn; 1

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Cordy: 4 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde Gunn; 1 Fred Fred; 1 Gunn Groo; 1Cordy

Kinky dinky: The demon fancies Fred, again weird, shouldn't demons like other demons? Groo comments Gunn is fortunate to have a woman such as Fred to 'take care of his weapon'.

Know the face, different character; 4

Parking garages; 5,

Buffy characters on Angel; 16 Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony

Questions and observations; Blonde Cordy! Angel seems unaware that Fred and Gunn were dating, I thought he overheard them in 'Waiting in the Wings'. No leprechauns in the Angelverse although considering how they appeared on Charmed maybe we should be grateful. Wes coming home to an empty flat is a real killer. Angel refers to the AI gang as family.

Marks out of 10; 6/10, fun but nothing special
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6/10
Hypocrisy Inbound
cleo-4537622 June 2023
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With what should be a pivotal episode, we have the clearly overwritten and hashed together episode that is this monstrosity.

Gunn only knew of vamps when we met him, but now he's had dealings with many various demons in his past?

The script breaks for the over choreographed fight scenes are now becoming boring filler and achieve nothing.

Everyone turning on Wes despite them knowing the truth is uncharacteristic and clearly a U-turn in the writers room to propel the main story along.

The obviously white-written script & production often ramps up the cringe factor when we have Gunn-on-the-streets scenes or the dialogue between him and his old gang, and the inclusion of Gangstas Paradise as we watch Gunn back in the day was so cliche I couldn't watch.

The series does get better, but this episode is the nose dive that starts its unpleasant descent until the last season gets us back up to scratch.
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6/10
Life really is unfair
limetalhead29 September 2008
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Double or Nothing helps show why the last half of season 3 were some of the worst episodes of the entire series. After Gunn & Fred understanding why Wes kidnapped Connor in Forgiving, for them to totally turn their backs on him like that was too cruel. It was so sad seeing Fred tell Wes not to come back to the hotel when you could see on her face that she actually cared for him more than she thought. Angel has the nerve to say "We are not losing another member of this family" when his actions were the main reason everyone turned on Wes to begin with. And by the way, isn't Wesley technically the boss? How would the business run the right way without the "head honcho". On top of all that, it's revealed how much of a punk and a thug Gunn really is. And to really add salt to the wound, he still ends up with the girl at the end while Wes is left alone with no one being sympathetic to his needs.
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5/10
Weak episode
fuad_tarin_5816 July 2020
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I really didnt like this episode at all. Not because its boring episode but because its to stupid. U have a demon group making a deal with gunn to give him one wish for his soul. Wich Gunn totally does it freely. Wich is interesting to begin with, but when suddently its for gunn to get it back just like that.. that just ruins it for me. And in the topp of it Angel offers a deal and plays his soul on the table to win Gunns back, looses and the demons gets nothing. Its so dumb.

If u make an episode like this then Gunn shouldve lost his soul atleast. Pointless episode.

I give it a 5 beacuse good acting and i love this series.
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5/10
What's a Soul Worth?
Samuel-Shovel2 August 2018
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In "Double or Nothing", a casino mob boss comes to collect on Gunn's soul, something he sold long ago for a special someone. Realizing this is the end of the road, Gunn pushes away Fred and accepts his fate. Meanwhile, Angel continues to cope with the loss of his son. Cordy's back in town and is there for him in his time of need. Wesley continues to recover in the hospital and realizes he's all alone in this world. Angel and the gang must intervene on Gunn's behalf with the mob boss. With the help of other casino patrons, they take him down and free Gunn from his contract. It turns out that Gunn traded his soul for his truck when he was 17. Well alright then...

After a string of solid episodes, this was a bit of a throwaway for me. The whole mystery surrounding who Gunn sold his soul for was intriguing while it lasted. But when it was revealed to be a motor vehicle, I couldn't help but roll my eyes. Better to leave it a mystery than a dumb gag like that.

Gunn and Fred's romance is still an oddity to me. I'm not sure how I feel about it. They seem to lack a spark or a high degree of chemistry. Maybe this will develop over time but for now it feels forced.

I'm glad Cordy's back though. That seemed to be the only meaningful thing to occur this episode. She's a grounding presence in this show. That's something I didn't really realize until her disappearance; glad we're back to pseudo-normal. We'll see where the gang goes from here without Wes. Remember when Angel considered him the boss of the organization? I don't think he retains that title any longer.
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1/10
Awful episode...
m-4782629 May 2021
I had to comment it, because it is so bad... Characterizations have a lot to do with that. Fred and her deer in the headlights attitude, Gunn and his stupid decisions, Angel and his stupid grudge against Wesley. Cordelia who think she's all that. And Groo being just too useless for words. I can't wait for him to leave. Special effects were pretty good, but the more I go through this series again, the less it makes me want to continue watching. Hopefully it will improve soon.
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